Nasser El Sonbaty

Part Four-I

Milos was more articulate, more outgoing, more communicative but also manipulative. And Milos signed the lease for their apartment for the place Downtown, which they moved into after he got hold of Sonny who had a Weider contract before Milos – and without Milos’s help.

The money Sonny intended to save for opening his own gym in Australia was fast disappearing spent with the “help” of DCM.

I am wondering why “expert” Milos does not claim to be responsible for “creating” Sonny? But I guess Sonny was just good enough for Milos to take his money and for getting from Weider, through Sonny, his Weider Contract. By the way, Sonny took Milos to Joe’s office and Milos acted as a friend and translator for Sonny’s grunting English. That is how DCM leeched into a Weider contract.

It was perfectly fitting that Sonny did not have a (California) US driver’s licence. With the driver’s licence in Milos’s snake hands he made Sonny even more dependant on him. Without a car Sonny could not go to the gym or just simply go grocery shopping. In Los Angeles, however, Sonny could walk to the gyms in Venice and go by foot to the grocery store. But in San Diego with progressing time he became an even bigger victim of druggie Milos.

I met Sonny in 1991 at the Night of Champions in NY City and then gained an opportunity to talk to him more often in Venice, California in late 1991; then I met Sonny 1993 in California (as I mentioned before) and I got to know Sonny much better back in Germany at the very end of 1993 at the gym of Bernd Beiderbeck, the German Grand Prix promoter. Sonny basically lived there for more than two months in a room at that gym.

Milos had forbidden him to come back to the US to the San Diego, California apartment they shared because he and his exotic dancer (stripper) wife Ursula did not want to share the apartment space with Sonny anymore. And there was no room for Sonny as the great friend Milos told Sonny over the phone. By the way, rumour has it that Ursula and her friend Dayna did not only work as exotic dancers but also as street hookers.

But they divorced. Dayna used to be at that time Sonny’s girlfriend. The story is that before Dayna came around the corner of a house, you could see her huge boobs coming first before you saw the rest of her shortly after. “They” were soooo big that it even embarrassed Sonny. Later Dayna was seen with Gary Strydom, before Achim Albrecht.

Because of Milos, Sonny did not return in time to LA, California to have his yearly Weider contract renewed. He lost his Weider contract. No joke. Also Sonny was out of the San Diego apartment and Ursula was in. But as “history” tells us, Milos was then, shortly after, out of Ursula’s life.

After Milos had received from my former wife and me his over $300.00 US Dollar birthday present, he asked my former wife hypocritically when my birthday was – pretending he would then have a birthday present ready for me.

But Milos – a friendship is not based on presents, loaning money, eating a meal together somewhere, but on mutual respect and trust. And I do respect your achievements in the field of bodybuilding and the fact that you are definitely a world record holder when it comes to the amount of pro shows ever contested, but I do not respect you or accept you as a friend at all. I started using the word friend in regard to you because you told everyone that we were friends. In actual reality I never perceived you as a friend.

In 1998 when I was again in Australia I received more unpleasant stories about Milos when I met the Australian pro show promoter Tony Doherty, who was living at that time with Sonny Schmidt. Doherty encouraged Sonny to tell my former wife and me what else happened between him and his “friend” Milos. Sonny this time really did not want to just come out and say more. He felt uncomfortable bringing the subject of DCM up again. He just wanted to forget about it.

Anyways, Sonny finally told me about when he used to live with Milos in the San Diego, California apartment that he was paying $850.00 US Dollars rent for, at the beginning of the ’90s. And Milos had told him that he and Ursula also paid $850.00 US Dollars each. So Sonny believed that and thought that the total rent was $2550.00 US Dollars for all three of them.

The very good natured Sonny had lived big parts of his life on the remote lying Pacific island of Samoa and did not have too much contact with regular people here in the US except with gym people, drug dealers and Milos. But after this went on for over two and a half years, Sonny told me that he overheard a conversation (in the room next to his in the Down Town apartment) between Ursula and Milos who had been fighting again (as usual).

Ursula trashed Milos verbally because he was abusing “such a nice guy like Sonny for years” and how could he do this to his “best friend” (Sonny) to make him pay the rent for all three of them? Sonny had heard that shortly after he came back from his stay in Germany, but by then he had already lost his Weider Contract.

He decided to go back to Australia because he was an Australian citizen and did not want to live here in the US by himself without a regular income source. And since then, as he told my former wife and me, he had never again spoken to Milos. And Milos told everyone that Sonny was his “best friend”.

I do not want to be friends with Milos and I do not want to socialize with him. I was the one who stopped talking to you Milos. So do not pretend that you have morals and that you terminated the contact with me. Your morals are on the level of that of a war criminal.

And please guys: count how much money the DCM saved by not paying one single dollar in rent in the US (in San Diego, California) for at least two years plus? Yeah, from Milos’s point of view Sonny was indeed a good friend.

Also: DCM is a true champion in threading his way through the system. And he does not have a bad conscience when doing so. Even if he walked over dead bodies of his own relatives and other people in general in order to get that what he wants, he truly does not care because he lives by the statement: “the end justifies the means.”

Sonny was already a big pot smoker before he met and socialized with Milos but with Milos’s 24/7 negative influence on Sonny made him a true drug addict as Milos was and is. And just when Sonny, originally born in New Zealand and who had grown up in Western Samoa, had returned back to Melbourne, Australia from his “US adventure” with Milos and being away from druggie Milos permanently he started going off drugs like nubain.

Sonny told me personally that his relatives locked him up in a very small “remote” room where he was closed off from society for almost six months. He just had his food pushed to him through a little hole on the bottom of the entrance door – like you see it in the dungeon movies from the dark Middle Ages. This was basically the way Sonny Schmidt successfully detoxed from nubaine. The little dungeon room, made out of rocks and stones was in fact his “rehab facility”.

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[ Q ] But is it not true that, with his bodybuilding knowledge, Milos, in fact, helped you? What is the story behind the journals he apparently showed you?

It is true that Milos showed me his journals but I was not too interested. My system worked for me, I did not need someone who was a complete druggie to show me how he was using steroids but who was actually a bigger and much more sophisticated mature expert in recreational rather than performance enhancing drugs.

Nasser at Home In 1999 with his Arnold Classic Trophy and Journals. The famous, or infamous Journals attracted the attention of Milos according to Nasser.

When I was talking to Milos there was always the same subject matter discussed from his side and same drug interrogations. I never went outside of San Diego, California, outside his or my four walls except once to the “Clam Jumper” restaurant in Temecula, California where I paid for all of four of us (Milos, Ursula, Birgit and myself).

Nasser With His Former Wife Birgit on Solana Beach, California.

In every meeting with him he attempted to extract drug information from me. Also with time I got tired of him. I also still have the card he sent us where he said, “Hello guys, I trust all is well with both of you – I just wanted to say Hello and tell you that I did not forget the loan you gave to me.”

Later when we visited Milos in Temecula where he was living with his wife Milamar, I told my wife to say to Milos, in case he asked for my “journals” (the books where I have my “medical info”), that I had lost them. For sure Milos and his mother who was visiting him again, who is a very nice lady, had prepared a good meal for us. Milamar was still sleeping at midday and Milos was disappointed that I did not have the inquired books with me. Milos is very good host.

Nasser And His Former Wife Birgit (right), Milos (center) And His Wife Milamar (left) And Norberto (an Argentinian friend).

[ Q ] But the fact is Milos was a very good professional bodybuilder and many people would agree with me on this point. Surely there is no point coming out like this and sharing such information about Milos. Why is it important that you discuss such matters Nasser?

Because I want to set the record straight once and for all after he recently said some negative things about me on the Getbig.com boards. There is a perception out there about Milos and myself and the friendship we were thought to have. This is wrong. And Milos wrote in his last sentence on the getbig.com board: “Any additional details are allowed.” So by encouraging me to do so, I am putting the rest of the truth on the table right here in this interview.

This story I am about to tell you would not have come out if DCM did not walk up to my former wife and open his big mouth in a selfish way as a “friend”, if he returned me the money I loaned to him and if he did not portray himself as my bodybuilding teacher. In 2001, two days before the Olympia, Milos was hurting as usual.

In his anger, his pain, his self pity, his desperation, and whatever else you might call it he went up to my former wife, who was at that time in our hotel gym at the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada, and told her that he wanted to divorce his wife Milamar. He said that “he had had enough” and was sick and tired of his wife Milamar – I do not recollect if she is his the fourth or fifth wife? Anyways he said that she had been with many guys while she was with him. He told my former wife that Milamar had been together sexually with members of his own gym, several assistants of Chris Lund (the guys who help Lund during the photo shoots to move camera equipment and weights around), Dorian Yates and myself.

During A 2000 Photo Shoot With Chris Lund And His Helpers.

The Guy To The Far Right Of Nasser Slept (Had Sex With) With Milamar Says Nasser.
Milos had sent his wife Milamar out to pick up the visiting Yates. Milos had the idea of opening a gym with Yates and before that he wanted to open a gym with me. Anyways, it took her over eight hours to pick Dorian Yates up from the nearby airport where Milos’s gym is located (Fullerton, California).

Milos also later asked Yates if it was true that he had been with his wife Milamar. Supposedly Yates had said “yes” – and Milos said, “Okay, I have to respect that, you are honest and speaking the truth.” At one point they did a seminar together on a tour in England but neither of the gentlemen talked to one other; they just talked to the fans.

In 1999 Milos was on the same plane with me, Levrone, Cormier and Ronnie, flying from Northern Europe down to the US Newark airport and Milos asked me the same question (the same one he had asked Yates) after he had asked Ronnie to switch seats with me. I also said “yes” – and Milos said, “But my wife said that you had called her at least 30 times in her hotel room until she gave in.”

But I replied to Milos and said, “Please tell your wife to stop acting dumb”, and that I had called her just once in her room and that was it. Actually the following day she wanted to be with me again but I told her that she could not because I already had another arrangement with a girl from Boston (an exotic dancer) for the rest of that weekend. I even introduced both girls’ to each other but obviously they did not like each other too much.

At that time, in the plane, Milos was begging me not to tell anyone, which I did not. He felt embarrassed. But I have to say here this is not his fault. This can happen anytime to anyone.

Nasser And The Girl From Boston.

But obviously Milos’s wife had told other people about that and you Milos went up to my wife and told her which shows what little self-respect you have – and this was exactly two days before me stepping on the Olympia stage. Are you out of your mind? Obviously the answer is yes.

What was your motive – except that you wanted to see other people as unhappy and miserable as you yourself were?

I do understand Milos is angered about the past and with his wife Milamar. Because if you are standing on the pro stage and every second or third guy onstage has also already been with your wife, including the head judge, Wayne DeMilia, then you could really potentially freak out. Voices are saying that Milamar was for a long time the concubine of Wayne DeMilia.

Nasser's former wife Birgit and Milamar at Milos Sarcev's home in Temecula, California.

While we were on the E Tour (European Tour) there were always pros criticizing Wayne but Milos was the loudest and the most aggressive one of them all. And Wayne treated Milos like a baby because he knew why Milos was so angry, despite the fact that Wayne was with Milamar before Milos married with this, up until now, last wife of his.

Again, I would have not made any of this public but you went up to my wife “to poison” her. And you want to challenge me by going to the Getbig.com board? You are a true low life, especially because it (the sexual encounter) happened at a time when I was not even married and you are a low life because of 999 more reasons. And just a few of them are mentioned in this description of your persona.

The actual sexual encounter between Milamar and me happened in her room at the New York Beacon hotel, in 1995. Milamar had flown into NY City, coming from Calgary, Canada; she also said she was delayed by US immigration. During our “session” she called me a nasty boy several times because I liked her turning in different positions.

Also she said to me that I had a “cute penis” which is, to my assessment, pretty bold and forward for a girl you have only been with for the first time. After I was done I wanted to go back to my own room because I was tired and wanted to rest. I did not want to stay in her room, hold hands with her and shave her private parts as she asked me to do.

So I left her room early Saturday morning and Milamar proceeded with her contest preparation. As far as I remember she was definitely tired during the day of her show. The same day (Saturday) she was competing and I had “to take care” of Lisa (an exotic dancer) who flew in from Boston to see me. I told Milamar that Lisa was just a friend who was “staying” in my room because she had trouble with her boyfriend (who did not exist).

I did not want to be too harsh by brushing Milamar off so directly. So, I was really, really busy that weekend in the Big Apple. At that time I did not have any knowledge of whether Milamar was involved with anyone. This was not a subject we discussed. And by accident Milamar and I were on the same flight. The plane was going from NY to Denver, Colorado as far as I recollect. We made a guy on the plane switch seats so that she could sit next to me.

It was really good and entertaining being there with her for the next couple of hours until we parted ways. She took the connection to Calgary and I took the connection back to lovely San Diego. By the way I had already met Milamar in 1995, backstage at the Olympia in Atlanta, GA. Both of us connected well right away. And again, I was not married then. Also I met her brother at this time, a very nice person.

Then in the summer of 1995 I heard that Milamar and Milos got married. I was surprised, also because Milamar had called me a couple of times from her home in Calgary to San Diego, California and had never mentioned anything about Milos. Anyways, New York City is always a good place to go to and to have some fun.

Let’s go back to the criminal activities in which you, Milos, have been progressing from year to year. The DEA did not for no reason interview people at the 2004 Arnold Classic in Columbus Ohio. The agents who interviewed others and me had, by the way, been very nice, polite and very familiar with bodybuilding and especially you.

To draw such a DEA attention and having interviews about your super illegal activities conducted in a time frame of two and a half years and having flown in almost 100 people because of your case to Des Moines, Iowa to be interviewed by the prosecution and be questioned by a 26 person grand jury costs lots of money. Do you know how expensive 100 flights are? Then the hotel expenses and how much it cost to have people working on your case – for years?

Almost everyone who is a pro and who had ever talked to you was flown in on taxpayer expense. So it was not only Chad Nichols or myself as you said.

The rumour is that you had been in Des Moines, Iowa on your own at least eight times, to sell drugs. Even people from the local gym told me that when I was there for a couple of workouts, they had been wondering why you had been up there so frequently. And how smart is it to fly into a little place like Des Moines, Iowa and distribute drugs there while knowing at the same time that it is the seat of the DEA?

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